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Ex-judge says move-on orders unworkable and 'callous'

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Fitzgerald spoke to Q+A about new legislation allowing police to move rough sleepers on from public places. (Source: Q and A)

A retired district court judge says the Government's proposed move-on orders are unworkable, "callous" and threaten to imprison children for offences that could never actually land them behind bars.

Anthony Fitzgerald, who sat as a district court judge for 27 years and for 15 of those presided over a specialist homelessness court — the New Beginnings Court in Auckland — made the comments in an interview with Q+A's Tova O'Brien.

The move-on orders would give police new powers to order people, including children as young as 14, to leave public places or ultimately face prison. The behaviours targeted include rough sleeping, begging, obstructing businesses and disorderly conduct.

Fitzgerald said police did not need the new powers because existing law already covered the behaviour the Government was concerned about.

"There are already powers to deal with behaviours of that sort," he said.

An order would require a person to leave a certain area for up to 24 hours for a "reasonable distance" as specified by an officer.  (Source: 1News)

"If the police suspect that someone's acting in a disorderly manner, or in an intimidating manner, or threatening, assaulting, stealing, possessing illegal drugs, they already have the power to respond to those sorts of behaviours."

Fitzgerald said the existing sentencing options available to judges were so narrow that prison often became the default outcome for homeless people.

"There's a very short list of sentencing options for any judicial officer in Section 10A of the Sentencing Act, and for homeless people, the list is even shorter than for others.

"The first option on what people call nuisance offending would be a conviction and discharge, or ordered to come up for sentence if called upon, which would mean they'll just be back out on the street. The next option is a fine, but for people living in extreme poverty, like the homeless are, that's not realistic.

"If people understand what the life of a homeless person is like, then in most cases, community work and supervision are unrealistic.

A stabbing in the CBD on Friday highlighted safety concerns in the city. (Source: 1News)

"If you're homeless, you can't have electronically monitored sentencing options, so you're left with prison. That's all that a judicial officer in a conventional court has to choose from," stated Fitzgerald.

He said even the harshest available penalty offered no lasting solution.

"The most severe sentence for most nuisance offending is three months, so someone would get out after six weeks. Someone who's homeless would just be rotated straight back out, slightly worse than they went in, because their meagre possessions would have been taken, and they'd just be put out again to start off again."

He said connecting people facing low-level charges to housing and social support through organisations such as the Auckland City Mission, Lifewise and the Salvation Army delivered a sustained reduction in reoffending in his experience.

That came along with significant drops in prison time and hospital admissions.

"It was blindingly obvious to me if you simply fixed the reason that someone was repeatedly coming into court, all the negative consequences would largely go," he said.

For the full interview, watch the video above

Q+A with Jack Tame is made with the support of New Zealand On Air

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