For the past two elections, writer Steve Braunias has challenged political leaders in New Zealand to an interview conducted during a game of ping pong.
The results have been as hilarious as they've been revealing.
Jacinda Ardern, Simon Bridges, Chlöe Swarbrick and David Seymour have all been beaten by the satirist.
But his latest opponent may be his toughest yet - Seven Sharp's very own Jeremy Wells.
Watch the video above to learn all about Braunias' best and worst interviews on the ping pong table.
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